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Castration?

topic posted Sat, October 6, 2007 - 11:53 AM by  Ziki4MasterDave
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Hope this is okay to post here?
Has at times felt that it would stay focused on the MASTERS sexual needs if it was chemically castrated, temporally at first,
to test, but if successful can be castrated.
Yes understands having male sexual desires can increase a slaves needs to serve at times in hope of some joy, however
has heard when one is castrated it bonds with the Master more and does have increased desires to please His need even more?
There is more to this, but firmly believe if this one is committed to be HIS, other than those obvious limits, the MASTER decides all.
What do Y/you all think?
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Ziki4MasterDave
SF Bay Area
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  • Re: Castration?

    Sat, October 6, 2007 - 1:26 PM
    I'm not even going to get into the wisdom of having major surgery performed for the pleasure of a partner who might, after all, not be the person you spend the rest of your life with. Except to state the obvious--we all believe the person we love right now is "the one" (or many of us do--I certainly believe that of my primary partner), but things do change. Or even, heavens forfend, that person could be taken from you by fate. And maybe a next partner would not be pleased by such a permanent body alteration.

    If you just want to kill your sex drive, and don't find that force of will is enough, look into antidepressents. Many have utter suppression of libido as a side effect. Prozac, Effexor, and Zoloft are all candidates. Yes, taking a major psychoctive drug is a big deal, but not as big a deal as removing a body part.
    • Re: Castration?

      Sat, October 6, 2007 - 2:38 PM

      Please note, it stated this in the post Sir's.

      "if it was chemically castrated, temporally at first, to test, but if successful can be castrated"
      Has to add injections of "Everclear" will do the wanted results Sir's.
      Also this one has a simple way to them removed medically too Sir's.

      Will not become Ones slave unless agreed it will NEVER be free again, stays HIS or has to serve
      another HE orders Sir's.
      If this ones trusts HIM to enslave it has to believe HE will honor this too Sir's.

      Thank You for Your input Sir's.
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    Re: Castration?

    Sat, October 6, 2007 - 2:02 PM
    Your Master should be concerned about your health & well being in addition to getting his needs met. It would be a lot safer and many times more prudent to experiment with chastity devices together, rather than getting you permanently "fixed". This new Master of yours is creeping me out!
    • Re: Castration?

      Sat, October 6, 2007 - 2:42 PM
      yes, of course Sir.

      Chastity devices are planned, however it still would have desires to be pleased Sir.
      Did state there was more to this also Sir.

      Please note, it stated this in the post Sir.

      "if it was chemically castrated, temporally at first, to test, but if successful can be castrated"
      Has to add injections of "Everclear" will do the wanted results Sir.
      Also this one has a simple way to them removed medically too Sir.

      Will not become Ones slave unless agreed it will NEVER be free again, stays HIS or has to serve
      another HE orders Sir.
      If this ones trusts HIM to enslave it has to believe HE will honor this too Sir.

      Thank You for Your input Sir.
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        Re: Castration?

        Sun, October 7, 2007 - 12:50 AM
        my post to you were as a concerned peer, i have never been knighted, nor am i anyones "Sir". i believe surrendering complete consent without regard to ones
        own well being is not very enlightened.
        • Re: Castration?

          Mon, October 8, 2007 - 5:32 PM
          OH!! Sorry thought you were a sir??/
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            Re: Castration?

            Mon, October 8, 2007 - 5:42 PM
            Actually...the original poster never mentioned whether this was someone he was serving on-line or not. i found the post pretty difficult to read but didn't get that it wasn't a "real" thing.

            Pretty much most people in this group wouldn't expect you to address anyone as "Sir." Just be your polite self and everyone will still respect you.


            i was also going to ask Ziki if there were any thoughts now that much advice has been offered. So Ziki...what do you think now?
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    Re: Castration?

    Sun, October 7, 2007 - 7:45 AM
    This actually is off-topic, and is a potential quagmire waiting to happen. I shall watch this thread carefuly to make sure we focus on the service implications and not the physical. Permanent medical alteration of such a significant and systemic nature is not anything you can come to a conclusion on from people on the internet you don't know. You, long-term friends, your Masters and a kink-aware and positive therapist would be the ones to discuss this with.

    Service comes from the heart, not the gonads. My suggestion is to find inspiration to serve from your heart rather than a quick fix of surgical alteration that will not resolve core internal issues and may not fit future goals, which no matter how committed everyone is to the relationship, may not turn out as planned.
  • Re: Castration?

    Mon, October 8, 2007 - 8:35 AM
    Personally, I don't approve of castration or the removal of any healthy body part. Any slave applying to me who has been castrated by choice, not need, is going to wait for a very cold day in a very warm place before I would consider him.

    Domina
    • Re: Castration?

      Mon, October 8, 2007 - 1:23 PM
      It sounds like so far this is an entirely online relationship. Not that there's anything wrong with that, per se, but I wonder (never having been in such myself) if it's more common for really odd requests and unrealistic expectations to happen when people aren't interacting as regular folks but as pixels on a screen. Again, I can't really speak to it cuz it's outside my experiece (I have this fetish for real people I can touch and squeeze), but I can imagine that when you were interacting with a largely imaginary "master," it would be easier to envisage doing really outlandish things for them, because the whole thing would be sort of fictional. Like a relationship based in Second Life or Worlds of Warcraft. Only then it might suddenly become real, and that could be really unfortunate. My Second Life avatar is never going to hop off the screen and mutilate me, no matter what horrid things I do to her little pixels . . .
      • Re: Castration?

        Mon, October 8, 2007 - 1:38 PM
        How crazy is that to be considering castration for someone you haven't even met???? It's silly enough if you actually know the person you are in a relationship with, but this online fantasy stuff doesn't have anything to do with reality, and the guy is talking about doing something permanent to himself???

        Domina
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          Re: Castration?

          Tue, October 9, 2007 - 12:00 AM
          Next up: online lobotomy (it really will please Master!)
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            Re: Castration?

            Tue, October 9, 2007 - 6:55 AM
            One thing I don't necessarily like is mockery. I believe this person is sincere and each person's truth is their own. So let's keep comments constructive please.
            • Re: Castration?

              Tue, October 9, 2007 - 8:41 AM
              I agree, and I apologize if my post was overly flippant. I agonized over it, especially since the whole "online Dom" thing is totally outside my experience, but it is something I'm very curious about, and my queries were genuine, and not meant to demean this person's experience, just to raise a possible thought from an uninformed but relatively thoughtful outsider. And as I said--I have done and contemplated doing all sorts of things for loved ones. But even when one is absolutely sure that someone is a life partner . . . stuff happens. Even if they promise to love you forever, and mean it, they could be hit by a bus. And then there you are, starting over, and maybe that major life change you made for them, because you were going to be together forever is not such a great idea anymore. And that's all I really meant. Even though we create these wonderful fictions about relationships in our heads, and sometimes get to live them out, we have to keep our selfhood somewhere deep inside sacred.
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                Re: Castration?

                Tue, October 9, 2007 - 8:58 AM
                I actually didn't find yours flippant, though I was curious where you found the data on this being an online only relationship. And yes, I couldn't agree with you more that nothing is permanent and what seems right today may not in 10 or 20 years even with the best of intentions. I am owned, and in an indefinite contract. My Owner has and continues to tattoo me, and has even placed a microchip inside of me. These are things that we both carefully considered and we took care to do the tattoo in a way that would always make me feel proud of my accomplishments even if the relationship changed. They are words I've earned and are about what I've learned and mastered under her guidance rather than about her placing images and claims on me as a "claiming". This I will carry with me for the rest of my life gladly.
                • Re: Castration?

                  Tue, October 9, 2007 - 2:13 PM
                  This person's posts concerned me so I read his tribe card, and his master's, and his master's blog about the relationship, which is where the info about it being an online relationship came from. Both expressed the desire for it to become a real-life relationship if all went well, but it all seemed a bit hasty. Again, all this with the major disclaimers that these are adults, doing their thing, and it is not mine to judge, but when people make their private lives public we neurotic Jewish mom tytpes can't help but worry sometimes . . . and certainly there have been times in my life when someone has taken me aside and offered advice that I am glad I followed. Or, later, wish I had . . .
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                    Re: Castration?

                    Tue, October 9, 2007 - 2:23 PM
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                      Re: Castration?

                      Tue, October 9, 2007 - 2:27 PM
                      Without knowing anything about the specific people involved, I would say that it is the slave's challenge to remain focused on the Master's needs, and that taking a chemical to achieve castration is not a demonstration of his compliance, but a shortcut. His challenge is to control himself and his desires, not to find a way around them.
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                        Re: Castration?

                        Tue, October 9, 2007 - 4:39 PM
                        I agree. Online Domination/submission, rather than giving one the strength and tools to serve, will tend to keep one in the nether land of fantasy. The cyberworld with the quest for immediate knowledge & instant gratification has eroded the old rules of dedication of purpose and the accepted standard of long-term training. Still, I do remember my own preconcieved notions and all the goofyness that was the newbie me. Not that I'm "all that", but it has taken a few years of hard work and training just to get me to where I'm at now.
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                          Re: Castration?

                          Tue, October 9, 2007 - 7:08 PM
                          In defense of on-line--many of us got our start that way not having any other way to even know things like Doms and subs or Masters and slaves really existed....many fantasies go away once you start doing things for "real." Be careful what you ask for!

                          Meanwhile...excellent response Rio...
                          • Re: Castration?

                            Wed, October 10, 2007 - 4:29 AM
                            Has at times felt that it would stay focused on the MASTERS sexual needs if it was chemically castrated, temporally at first,
                            to test, but if successful can be castrated. <<<(PLEASE READ, trail term IF AGREED, not permanent or harmful)
                            Yes understands having male sexual desires can increase a slaves needs to serve at times in hope of some joy, however
                            has heard when one is castrated it bonds with the Master more and does have increased desires to please His need even more?
                            There is more to this, but firmly believe if this one is committed to be HIS, other than those obvious limits, the MASTER decides all.
                            do Y/you all think?

                            Thank you kelly for your concerned input. :)
                            Please note ALL this is a thought and desire to become a better slave for its Master.
                            W/we all have different needs and desires, and as such even if owned, that ones Master should consider, no where on theses posts has it
                            said Master approves or that this will happen.
                            Yes as submissive/slaves we do have similar basic desires.
                            There are many who seek some type of permanent body changes, and that is as the Master and slave to decide.
                            If this was agreed of course would be preformed by safe medical means.
                            This is about the Masters power and control, it truly Owned, would it not be absolute?
                            Many expect to be marked is some way that is a permanent body change, that act fulfills an emotional need for Master and slave.
                            If a slave believes reduced sexual desires may increase its service and the Master agrees, if safely done why not?
                            One of the reasons the Romans castrated Their slaves.
                            Any permanent body change helps show that the slave is committed to be a slave for life and desires to serve and show that.
                            Believes that serves both Master and slaves emotional needs, this is about show of very strong commitment.

                            Did not mean to ramble, sorry.
                            • Re: Castration?

                              Thu, October 11, 2007 - 9:44 PM
                              Why not?

                              Because your next owner may not want someone who has been castrated.

                              Because your pool of potential next owners is definitely limited by this action.

                              Because your master may love the idea of having you castrated until you do it, then he might find it boring.

                              Because commitment or not, this master may not be the master that you stay with for the rest of your life. (Most marriages end in divorce, so do most M/s relationships)

                              Castration of a mature male does not always end desire.

                              It's much more admirable to have someone functional who ignores his own needs in favor of the master.

                              There are a lot more fun ways to punish functional males than to punish eunuchs.

                              Domina
                              • Re: Castration?

                                Thu, December 20, 2007 - 8:32 AM
                                . . . because rule number 1 is "protect the property" and that doesn't only mean the one you serve but every single one you serve thereafter . . .
                            • Re: Castration?

                              Thu, December 20, 2007 - 6:27 PM
                              I find your post to bring up some interesting questions. Does our service come from a place of sexual desire? Someplace else? A combination of both? If it is not from a place of sexual desire then why even bother with castration? If it indeed IS from a place of sexual desire, then one would have to wonder if that desire would wane with the absence of sexual hormones.

                              I think it is very hot to imagine giving up the very thing that drives you the most for One's master. I think the imagining of it is much hotter than the reality would be though. Because once that is done, the hormones that make you hot for that man are gone too. I am imagining my fat cat sitting on the back of the couch no longer wanting to roam outside looking for a lover or to get into fights.

                              I know for myself that as I have aged and my hormones have lessened, my desire for sex and my desire for SM ( and D/s ) have naturaly waned. It is a slow lessening as nature takes it's course but it is there. Yours would be immediate. There would be other health considerations that a lack of testosterone would affect. Perhaps a talk with your medical provider could shed some light on that.

                              I am all for romantic notions and hot imaginings. I also know when things are best left in that realm. I hope that you can abstract enough to realize the next steps ..what would lie beyond the castration..the lack of hormones, sex drive, lack of drive for what you lust after now.

                              Good luck to you,

                              MsBoot
                              • Re: Castration?

                                Thu, December 20, 2007 - 7:28 PM
                                It is also very unlikely that one would be able to find a medical practitioner that would be willing to castrate someone that is otherwise healthy. The only time i've ever heard of it is as a sentence for repeat sex offenders and even then it's only chemical, even though the law allows for physical castration. The idea may be interesting, but the reality may be more difficult to accomplish.

                                i sincerely doubt it would make you any better of a slave than you are now. i have not heard of such a thing pro or con, but if you have a slave heart, as Mercedes said, what else matters? Besides, your biggest sexual organ is your brain, followed by your skin, both of which are necessary for continued well being.

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